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Old 01-15-2013, 09:06 AM
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it is just the strut top being plated so the shock dont smash trough the top mount on rough rally roads. its not adding any stiffining or performance gain.

this seem to be kind of a stupid rule if you have a car that has a known defect caused by racing then reinforcing that part will create a safer car because it wont brake on track putting you into a wall or another driver
Yea, like I was getting at there may be some leeway involved if it's a safety change. Dave Gardiner would be a good guy on these boards who has chimed in on this thread to talk to about it.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:40 PM
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Let me help you. Put in a dash bar the stock one is not good enough... I have had this fight for many moons. Its not about common sence it about the leter of the rule. Someone may pass it some may not! Just put one in...
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:39 PM
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Just reading trought the rues and it states in

sec 12 of the sport touring regs #5 supension components shall be stock oem pieces bu they may be reinforced.

so i should be ok as the strut mount is considered part of the suspension
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:31 AM
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I would say yes.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:32 AM
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In regards to your strengthening on the strut towers. It is a gray area of the rules, we have had many cars race with us that used to be rally cars. We have also had many cars that have sustained damage and had to do repairs/strengthening. If the whole car was stitch welded and chassis strengthened that is a little outside the intent of improved touring.
As far as strengthening the strut towers alone I wouldn't see an issue in IT. Your fellow in class competitors will probably be glad you are heavier than them.
Without seeing pics of your cage I can't really comment on design but suspect you need a dash bar.
Check out SCCA regs on cage design they added some really great new pics this fall.

From the description of your car it sounds like a decent IT2 car but you may want to consider STU in the near future. STU would allow you do put some bigger brakes on.

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Old 01-16-2013, 02:38 AM
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look at the rules ill be in stu unless i swap my srtock trans in

as well my brakes are itr front 11" rotors and rsx rear 10" so not stock

ill run my b16a this year but i have a 2L jdm f20b standard sitting my garage

and yes rally cage = heavy lots of extra bars vs road cage

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:43 PM
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chassis strengthening, even if it was far more then u have, i wouldn't protest you being in IT with that. same with a just a tranny. same with just brakes. There were cars last year that ran slicks in IT2 and i never cared. IT could use more cars IMO.

but all that combined, and having a lot better power to weight then anyone else in IT2 (except the DA integra that also ran which was similar power), seems like it belongs more in ST to me if you want to run with cars that are similar in power to yours.

Excluding the DA integra, all the IT2 cars last year had a power to weight ratio of about 17 or worse (mines about 17.3 for example in race trim, 1.8L miatas are about 17.3 also from the factory and probably the same in race trim i'd guess? no idea how much weight a miata can drop with a cage but i'd guess nothing?). At oem weight and stock power you're about 13. huge difference.
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I am interested in your transmission
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1.8L miatas are about 17.3 also from the factory and probably the same in race trim i'd guess? no idea how much weight a miata can drop with a cage but i'd guess nothing?). At oem weight and stock power you're about 13. huge difference.
My Miata is 1949lbs and should be about what a 1.8L should weigh in race trim, and they make around 115ish whp with basic bolt ons. And ya 17 vs 13 p2w is huge difference.

My car is 13.5 (thats weight to wheel horsepower btw) and I was walking on Neils itr down the straight
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:15 PM
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my trans full mfatory

give you an idea at 7500 rmp my max speed is 156 kmh

so no long straights please
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